On Gregory Cochran and his “gay germs”

Find it here: http://www.unz.com/isteve/podcast-with-gregory-cochran/

I:

Gregory Cochran is very smart but he is no genius and I never found much original thoughts in his works, never stuff I hadn’t read someone speculate about before or hadn’t thought up myself. he just digs up stuff that had been buried for a long time. The “gay germ” theory is, of course, absolute garbage. His main problem is that he suffers from a narcissistic personality disorder and does not seem to have any emotions other than the rage that comes up when he feels offended because somebody disagrees with him or he disagrees with something.

You guessed it, I just do not like this pompous guy. I think many of you are attracted to him because you were raised (and broken) by people like him.

Boy, I got some responses. I attacked a deity. “Soros boy” was the most funny when you get to know me better. 🙂 I then wrote some sort of “excuse”: 

II:

Ok, sorry for kicking the hornet’s nest!

First of all, I want to apologize to Mr Cochran, I was pretty rude by calling him that. You must know that a narcissistic personality disorder isn’t the worst thing in the world as long as you can cope with it and do not hurt other people. And yes, many famous people have them, too, and it is a reason for their success. Narcisstic people are often very tragic figures that never hurt anyone but themselves because they cannot match their own standards and even if they do, they begin raising the bar more and more. (It often happens when intelligent people live amongst people that aren’t that smart and at the same time do not over much emotional comfort, so the personality goes into the grandiose).

But I am still pretty sure he has a (mild) case of this, I mean who posts something like this: https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2013/04/01/tell-me-something-i-dont-know/ – yeah, I can understand that many people think Cochran is funny and charming (he is), but that is also often a shtick of people with NPD. He isn’t also as fair as you all pretend him to be, e.g. when it comes to “ethnic genetic interests” he suddenly calls that “garbage”, but that is mainly because it goes against his own personal life, or something. I don’t know. Overall, I sense that he needs his “narcissistic supply” (that is a Freud term, I know people in this sphere hate the dude!) and wants his point of view confirmed. His followers dance around him like children that want to win the love of their father and take his words as gospel. It is actually sad to watch but they do not know it better from their childhood.

But no, Cochran is okay, but he SHOULD learn that he insults people directly and indirectly with much of his stuff. He just “assumes”things about psychology (and yes, I do not think that Cochran has an overly good insight in the psychology of the ordinary people because he is way too much removed from them and reading books is not so much help) and then comes up with stuff like “depression is an adaptation to cold winters”… No, it is not, it’s simply a reaction to psychological terror you endure. Using a little bit of “psychoanalysis” here (which I bet you HDB guys LOATHE), many of you are fixated onto genes because you just do not want to admit that your parents suck and did bad things to you. So it is the devil, or bad genes that turn people into sadistic killers and not the abusive father and mother. Or something.

What rubs me the wrong way is what he and many HBD people do when it comes to mental illness. All you people do is to assume that they have their disturbance because of bad genes. And that is the one and only cause. Genes tend to influence WHAT your mental illness with be (depression, schizophrenia, perversions…), but it is rarely the cause. The cause is usually bad parenting, from violence to “subtle” psychological manipulation that influences your brain in the early stage (think also about mirror neurons). I have encountered countless people with the best genes you could imagine (tall, good-looking, bright) suffering from severe depression because of what there parents did to them (often Lutherans!). No one will ever persuade me that these people are mad because of their genetic load or something. They were driven mad. The human mind is a fragile thing!

“Gay germ” is garbage to me, yes. You turn gay because a combination of genetic disposition. “nutrition” (exposure to stuff, in the widest sense) and… bad upbringing. There is a correlation between having a mental illness and homosexuality, it is there, not so strong but it is there, but I have never ever met someone with a mental illness who had loving parents (most people DENY their bad childhood, it is hard to truly reveal it but it is a top priority!) and then turned out to be gay. Those people were driven mad later in life but did not turn gay but as a child there would have been a chance. So… there is no big secret about how homosexuality can survive when they do not to propagate – most people with the disposition just do NOT turn gay. The difference between me and Cochran is, that I actually KNOW people like that and don’t make wide assumptions.

And then there is this IQ stuff. Fail in life and you have a low IQ. No, does not work this way, I know many people that are truly smart in their bright moments but when they have depression they simply cannot solve the simplest task. And IQ is not the same as applying concepts like abstract thinking (you can read something about that in the works of Piaget and Oesterdiekhoff). That has to be learned, do not learn it until a certain age you’ll never grasp it. But that doesn’t make you dumb. But yes, I agree that the construct that we call “intelligence” is mostly based on your genes (and many other traits, like what I call “emotional sensitivity”) . Like Mr Cochran, I do not believe in massive epigenetic influence – damage can be done to the fetus in the womb, but not by “the past life” but by the feelings and the physiology of the mother. But that is something you people also tend to deny that a child is also nine months there and his development is actively influenced by that.

But then I listened to his podcast again and it kinda “offended” me. 

III:

Okay, my final words: it is well-known that the more sons a women has the more it is likely that the late-born sons turn out to be gay. I can confirm this. So how can this “germ” only act on them? As usual, child neglect is the most obvious cause. Female homosexuality is a little bit different, IMO, as lesbians also tend to have different, more boy-ish bodies than straight women.

Even Mr Cochran admits in his book that there are people attracted to vacuum cleaners. Is there also a “germ” for that? :) So, of course, directing your sexual desires towards humans of the opposite sex must so totally be blamed on a germ! Also, black people are more likely to be homosexuals and Asian the least so… what a strange germ that is… effects certain cultures more and different through time (think about ancient Greeks e.g.) and space but also mostly the late-born sons…

There is no “adaptive value” in most psychological abberations, it’s simply your psyche being wrongly constructed. there is no purpose in homosexuality, no benefit in spreading your genes through siblings… whatever… … really, HDB people – it is ridiculous. There is no secret “sociobiological plan” behind women’s tendency to be pro-immigration by raising “sperm competition” (that sounds more like Freud than you want to admit. they are in no way better than the worst of Freud’s conjecture they just sound more believable because genes are real and stuff… empiricially proven!!), no “genetic disposition” in Jews to act… well… stereotypical Jewish, it’s more the reason of hearing the Talmud and other occult gobblings at and early age… developing your mind is not like developing a limb.

People drawn to HBD where they are taught that their problems come from their genes, not their shitty parents and teachers, and thus making things WORSE for them. I have met people like that. They read pick-up sites, HDB, and were convinced that this is how the real world works and they are just born that way. Which is obviously garbage and also dangerous because you breed the next generation of psychopaths. It’s just what it is. Women are not attracted to you because you are no “alpha male” and do not constantly insult and break their will, no, it’s because you go for the wrong women (physical and psychological incompatible) and are not able to emit and feel true emotions (do not confuse “sexual” and “narcisstic” desire that you want to please by having sex with as many as hot people with your true emotions) and women tend to feel that and you start to have success only with “damaged” women.

HBD also has the – what I call – “the lure of the occult”. It provides you with “secret” and “scorned” knowledge that most people do not have, so making you “superior” and giving you an “advantage”. That attracts certain personality types!

Really, people, grow up and stop running away from yourself.

Preachy? Perhaps. I don’t know. I just think that the HBD crowd is sadly enough, too much of a cult. For completist my post on Cochran’s blog when he reverted back to his homosexuality germ claims:

No, you are wrong, it would not be talked about in transgressive fora, guess what, because it is not talked about at all. Homosexuality is always linked to child abandonment or direct abuse. It is also then linked to masochism and sadism. There could be “gay genes”, that are under normal circumstances responsible for something else, even be positive selection-wise, but turn you gay under certain circumstances. But there is no pathogen that turns you gay, it is just that most people with gay genes do not turn gay.

Most parents treat their children like shit, all over the world, even in the West, to different degrees. Even in the West middle-class I estimate that at least of 40% spend their childhood in mortal fear, the fear of being abandoned by their parents, and that is a biological death sentence that alters your brain structure if you experience it constantly. Western children manipulate their children psychologically. In other parts of the world there is direct violence. In Afghanistan it is common that close relatives rape the boys of the family, and no one cares (no data about Arabs e.g. – but that is because those guys who have suffered it have repressed memories and/or will never admit it, that’s why they turn to Islamistic macho culture and inflict pain into others, and sociologists will not touch these topics with a ten-footpole).

That is the true secret society lies about, and not genes, HBD and pathogens. Everyone knows, subconsciously, that blacks are less smart, even blacks themselves. The general population knows that. HBD is just too obvious and nothing occult about. Child abuse is the true thing that matters and most people do not want to talk about it because it makes them uncomfortable and brings up their own bad memories (people usually think their childhood was “paradise”, being smacked a little is GOOD, but that is lying to yourself in most cases). You will not find empirical studies about this stuff, but that is the same reason why there is so much taboo when it comes to population genetics e.g. – not wanted!

 

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